Hydra-Matic 6L80 Auto #05-07-30-023

A forum for discussing applications and implementations of the MegaShift transmission controller code for the GPIO from B&G. This can control up to 8-speeds and 6 shift solenoids (plus a 16x9 table for controlling a PWM line pressure valve). It has manual and fully automatic modes (16x9 load x speed table), with under and over rev-limit protection, and full data logging of all inputs and outputs (among many other abilities). A TransStim to test your completed board is also available.
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Philip Lochner
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Hydra-Matic 6L80 Auto #05-07-30-023

Post by Philip Lochner »

Hi all

Now that I have my V12's sorted it would be so nice to have a proper gearbox behind them! 4sp is just not worth the effort IMHO. A 6sp is the least I would go for.

So, would Megashift (at current level of functionality) be able to control the 6L80 as found in
2006 Cadillac STS-V, XLR-V
2006 Chevrolet Corvette?

I have some info attached hoping that would enable the fundi's to answer my question.
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6L80.pdf
Basic intro to the 6L80
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Best regards
Philip
'80 Jaguar XJS 5.3L V12 = MS-2
'74 Jensen Interceptor Mk3 440 V8 = MS-2 + GPIO (GM 4L60e)
Bernard Fife
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Re: Hydra-Matic 6L80 Auto #05-07-30-023

Post by Bernard Fife »

Philip,

Maybe. There appear to be 6 solenoids on the trans, and current 2.111 code has up to 6 shift outputs. But it depends on the PWM requirements of those solenoids, among other things, so you will need to do more digging.

The upcoming 2.120 code (due in a week or so) will have up to 7 outputs to control the solenoids (some will require hardware mods), and 2 of these have user variable PWM depending on one of load, speed, rpm, temperature, or gear. Whether that is needed here I can't say from the doc provided.

However, a more serious impediment with the 6L60E is that the trans controller is built right into the transmission itself, and this would need to be removed and leads run to the devices directly, which likely would not be a trivial task. The 6L60E is also a physically very large transmission, so retrofits are often difficult without hacking the car to pieces.

Lance.
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MSEngineering
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Re: Hydra-Matic 6L80 Auto #05-07-30-023

Post by MSEngineering »

Lance wrote:Philip,

Maybe. There appear to be 6 solenoids on the trans, and current 2.111 code has up to 6 shift outputs. But it depends on the PWM requirements of those solenoids, among other things, so you will need to do more digging.

The upcoming 2.120 code (due in a week or so) will have up to 7 outputs to control the solenoids (some will require hardware mods), and 2 of these have user variable PWM depending on one of load, speed, rpm, temperature, or gear. Whether that is needed here I can't say from the doc provided.

However, a more serious impediment with the 6L60E is that the trans controller is built right into the transmission itself, and this would need to be removed and leads run to the devices directly, which likely would not be a trivial task. The 6L60E is also a physically very large transmission, so retrofits are often difficult without hacking the car to pieces.

Lance.
That TSB really on the surface there leaves out a lot of information, but it's just a TSB after all.

I have the service manual to this transmission there are actually 8 solenoids ( unless you purposely left out shift solenoids 1 & 2). All of the 6 are PWM solenoids and not on/off solenoids like shift shift solenoids 1&2. The Manual states all clutch pressure control solenoids are commanded to a specific control pressure.

Also there is a IMS (internal mode switch) which is connected in this fashion : Gear lever(electronic & mechanical) -> IMS -> TCM the TCM has a CAN HI and CAN LOW. So it's best to do away with the TCM in there all the solenoids have 2 prongs on them.

There is a speed sensor input and output assembly, the input reads the speed of 1-2-3-4 and 3-5-R clutch and the other output reads the output shaft housing, both state the TCM use this signal to determine line pressure, shift timing, vehicle speed and gear ratio.

I would like to get some development going on with this transmission I have a 6L90E I'm want to use with a Diesel application but the needs a bit more capability and references.
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